Potential or Performace??

[Popsicle Drip]

Which do think matters more.
The Ann(3) and Jane Type or the Krista and Kayla Type when it comes to winning . which would you of saved if you were a judge.

I'm Team Potential.

[Starstruck]

I think that girls with potential should go far in the competition, however if they haven't actually improved or used their potential by the final 2/3 then a girl with really strong performance all competition should win.

[Fierceglamdom]

Pro-Performance. I mean I definitely will prefer a girl with potential who is performing over a girl with little potential who is performing, but in general performance beats out potential.

[rdhaley]

Performance. Having a lot of potential is great, but it doesn't mean much if you don't have the performance to back it up.

[Carcole]

in the real world of modelling potential definitely matters more

[Narissa]

Performance.
Sure girls with more potential(Elyse,Katarzyna,Jane etc.) will be more successful based on their looks! I tend to like the girls that don't look like models in general but Actually can model.Kayla is a great example!

[Sabrina]

Performance definitely i mean would you rather have someone with huge potential and have the talent of someone like jadea and make it overseas? IDTS ill take someone like kayla[i still think she has potential but w/e] over girls like her any day

[littlesoul]

Definitely performance.

If the winner was chose based on who had the most potential, there would be no point in having a competition and all the challenges and photoshoots. The whole point is performance. I think girls like Ann and Jane who had potential but didn't perform should have gone home sooner than they did honestly.

[booyouharlot]

How did Kayla not have potential? I'd say Kendal had a lot of potential but rarely unlocked it

[Jaee]

I'm all for potential. I think it's what a model actually should have at first.

[GuruBishisama]

Definitely performance.

If the winner was chose based on who had the most potential, there would be no point in having a competition and all the challenges and photoshoots. The whole point is performance. I think girls like Ann and Jane who had potential but didn't perform should have gone home sooner than they did honestly.

This. Potential doesn't change over 12 weeks. Performance does. Sure, potential should be taken into consideration when picking the cast, but it's static--I mean, bodies can be toned and hair can be changed, but a girls face will always be the same. Sure, in the real world potential matters more, but this is ANTM and it's a competition. It's IMO a sour note when a girl wins based just on how she looks when she's done average to bad in her modeling. It feels kind of like a waste of time. If she was going to get it no matter what cause she's hot, why waste thousands of dollars and two months of everyone's time?

[nzkiwiboy]

Potential!! It can be worked on, the model can be developed! I mean, performance is great, but you gotta look like a model to MODEL.

[choroneko]

Potential. Designers, bookers, scouts, etc do not care about your performance in the show. Just look at the post show of the winners.

[Shiru_chan88]

From a modeling competition POV, potential for sure. It's modeling after all. :shrug
But from a regular competition POV, it would have to be performance.
And from a reality TV POV, **** it. Neither of them matter.

[BottleItUp]

Performance, 100%. I could give two sh*ts about potential on ANTM :flower

[Popsicle Drip]

What I'm meaning is the Jane had uber Potential to be a top model in the real world. Should she have been top2 with Ann because of it. IMG said she could be a model with more training and it was true.

Ok this is the deal Potential vs Performance

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/5008401397_034d4c0f8b_o.jpg

Kayla on Antm outshone Jane in almost every shoot IMO excluding Gondola, Rodeo Dv and Model Madness. But Jane's real world Potential was greater then Kayla's. In Modeling Ann (3), Jane, Molly Sue, Fatima, Katarzyna, Raina and Brittani are the most successful and they didnt perform as well as others on the show.

http://s5.postimage.org/k5ngyfo0l/042.jpg

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lknnhuLi4c1qb9gywo1_500.jpg

IMO : Potential wins Hands down on Antm


and look at ANN this...............
http://antm411.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/antm_ann06_sascha_pflaeging.jpg?w=480&h=360


turned into this
http://antm411.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/kiimg_00010_lg.jpg?w=480&h=624

[remote]

I luv you PopsicleDrip because of how pro-Jane you are :smitten

But I disagree. I think when it comes to winning ANTM, performance on the show should win out. Potential is so hard to determine, only a few girls on the show we're obvious "has great potential but won't win" girls.

[Popsicle Drip]

I luv you PopsicleDrip because of how pro-Jane you are :smitten

But I disagree. I think when it comes to winning ANTM, performance on the show should win out. Potential is so hard to determine, only a few girls on the show we're obvious "has great potential but won't win" girls.

Well Ya ANN W her win common knowledge from week 4 but Jane is a way better post show and IMO I saw it coming (her being signed by IMG).

[Usagi]

How did Kayla not have potential? I'd say Kendal had a lot of potential but rarely unlocked it

I'm not a expert in the fashion industry so I would love if someone explained that to me. Why Kayla is always deemed as having zero potential?

[choroneko]

The show's editing was horrible and very one sided. So we can't really conclude girls like Katarzyna wasn't performing well in the show. Its pretty obvious they edited to justify her elimination. Performance can be earned easily but potential is so hard to grab especially as u age.

[Shiru_chan88]

I'm not a expert in the fashion industry so I would love if someone explained that to me. Why Kayla is always deemed as having zero potential?

She has terrible proportions. She has an extremely long torso paired with short legs, and that doesn't make clothes look good.
The fit is everything for runway models, so Kayla would largely be doomed to life as an editorial model (if she's lucky and can keep it up because the pay is **** for most of the huge fashion magazines).
Case in point, in the motion editorial, the clothes that she wore were the sample size (the size all a designer's clothes come in, and a model has to fit into those clothes, NOT the other way around), and it was too loose for her on top because of her strange proportions.
Runway is super important to most model's careers. It's what gets you discovered by other clients in the fashion industry and generates buzz so you can book campaigns (where the real money's at).
A campaign would be something like the Herve Leger campaign Fatima was in. She's making a ****load of money now, although there are models who star in less high fashion campaigns as well.

[Popsicle Drip]

I'm not a expert in the fashion industry so I would love if someone explained that to me. Why Kayla is always deemed as having zero potential?

If Kayla Had any she would of been signed and not of appeared on ALL-STARS!


Lets look at their best shoots on the show.

http://sp6.fotolog.com/photo/22/10/74/all_nexttopmodel/1292262601023_f.jpg

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1383/5149232783_0cbc1e0aa9_z.jpg

Jane is easily the best. And this look at Kayla's legs

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OidZJnbVs9M/TOVB2UCVL2I/AAAAAAAAJ3k/HnCM1Lu-G9g/s1600/5168494592_25f80bfa04_b.jpg

Now Jane's

http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/nopersonality/jane02.jpg

This is pretty much the debate

[littlesoul]

What I'm meaning is the Jane had uber Potential to be a top model in the real world. Should she have been top2 with Ann because of it.

No. ANTM is not the real world, it's a performance-based competition. Kayla and Chelsey both outperformed Jane, so why keep Jane around for final 2? It's great the she's doing so well with IMG, but she didn't cut it during ANTM.

[Shiru_chan88]

Because it's ANTM, I would actually have all the ones with high fashion potential become early outs just so I can lessen their ANTM stigma as much as possible. Heck, I'd tell the editors to cut them all out and make them all as forgettable as can be so they can stay the **** away from ANTM. :lol
So what's left... performance?
Well technically that's what ANTM should go by, but we all know it doesn't for the most part. So essentially, it's just reality TV. :flower

[Popsicle Drip]

No. ANTM is not the real world, it's a performance-based competition. Kayla and Chelsey both outperformed Jane, so why keep Jane around for final 2? It's great the she's doing so well with IMG, but she didn't cut it during ANTM.

Kayla Maybe Chelsey No name the shot. But it was a high fashion cycle why get rid of girl that could be in Italian Vogue with out antm. She next to Ann was the best over seas.

[topmodellover<3]

Performance obviously. Potential is nice but you have to have the talent to back up the looks

[engsamnang]

What I'm meaning is the Jane had uber Potential to be a top model in the real world. Should she have been top2 with Ann because of it. IMG said she could be a model with more training and it was true.

Ok this is the deal Potential vs Performance

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/5008401397_034d4c0f8b_o.jpg



Jane looks extremely Hot!!! and Kayla looks very beautiful too in this pic..

[Aufa]

I actually don't like Kayla's portfolio and I don't take her oversea, and her lack of potential seals the deal for me.

I would love to see a girl who have both, but I think I take performance over potential, since what's the point of a competition just based on potential? Why don't just go find an agency and try to be signed instead of going to a reality TV show?

But if there is a case of final 2 when A has great potential and portfolio while B has an even better portfolio than A, but lacked in potential, my winner would be A.

But..... I've always been thinking that they should've always only casted girls with potential from the very start. (And I'm sure this whole potential X performance thingy won't even exist)

[rdhaley]

It's funny seeing the Jane stans acting like her portfolio was better than Kayla's. Jane was much better post show, but Kayla's portfolio crushed Jane's on the show.

[Fierceglamdom]

^Truth.

[3D-ism]

Jane may have more potential than Kayla.
But the truth is , Kayla's portfolio in the show is way more STRONGER.

I love Jane , but in this show , she just plain boring & have very medicore portfolio .
(excluding her Rodeo drive & Gondola .I mean ,They're her only good shots)

Kayla's portfolio is FLAWLESS. (well , I'm not including her Motion Editorial)

[Popsicle Drip]

If you look back no one is saying Jane was better on the show just that her potential is 1000x better then Kayla's. When Jane performed in the Rodeo Drive, Gondola and Model Madness She was the best. When the potential meets performance amazing results happens and not the other way around. Just like Ann (3) with the ford shoot and Alexandra (14) with pretty much overseas.

[NTMloverr]

Performance all the way. With potential it should get you far in the competition like the final 6 and above but not win because if another girls portfolio is stronger than she should win.

PS: oic @ this thread turning into Kayla vs Jane

[Popsicle Drip]

Performance all the way. With potential it should get you far in the competition like the final 6 and above but not win because if another girls portfolio is stronger than she should win.

PS: oic @ this thread turning into Kayla vs Jane

Well Kayla and Jane are pretty much Potential VS Performance to a tee.

[Narissa]

It's funny seeing the Jane stans acting like her portfolio was better than Kayla's. Jane was much better post show, but Kayla's portfolio crushed Jane's on the show.

Totally Agree,Jane's portfolio was mediocre on the show while Kayla's was arguably the best!

[Popsicle Drip]

Totally Agree,Jane's portfolio was mediocre on the show while Kayla's was arguably the best!

Again who said Jane's portfolio was better.

[Narissa]

Again who said Jane's portfolio was better.

I didn't mean for it to be a Jane vs Kayla!Their both great and have the best portfolios ever!!Now everybody's happy:yay

[ghost]

Of course its better if they got both. If Its not, I just need pretty and fresh girl with great performance in NTM. I love seeing a girl rocks the photoshoot.
Who dont wanna watch sth like this? :shrug
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1613/jessicaep5.gif

BTW, Kayla's body looks so fine in this picture. Love Kayla, If based on performance only, she's my winner. :love

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/5008401397_034d4c0f8b_o.jpg

[Siemgi]

The whole point of ANTM is to ~expand the world's vision of beauty and yadayada blah blah~. It was designed to help girls who "don't fit the mold" enter the industry. If you want something where you are picked based on potential, go watch NYFW castings.

And it's a competition so performance all the way. The girls with potential will make it anyway.

[Lumina]

There should be a poll?


Anyway, I'm team PERFORMANCE.

I mean, look @ Jaeda. :puke

[oliver1990]

Potential all the way. Performance can be edited and probably IS the majority of times. Potential cannot.

[Carcole]

performance matters more in a competition, but potential matters more in the real world

[Jaee]

^^ I agree.

Girls with big potential in the show tends to rest on their own beauty and look bland, but when they use it, bamp they ROCK it.

[choroneko]

Potential all the way. Performance can be edited and probably IS the majority of times. Potential cannot.

Yup yup. How Whitney won over Anya is beyond me.

[ghost]

^ That's not a good example. Anya's stronger than Whitney both of performance and potential. Whitney had some good photos and she's also pretty and Tyra want her to be the 1st plussie winner. That's it.